It means they are subject to more possible health problems and should not be used for breeding. i want to know what i can do to make his time better when he has to be alone. I dont care what harsh bio-cultural forces shaped you, but I dont like you ya F_____g jerk. both allels are black you get a normal, usual dog (25% chance), 2.) Fact is all Doberman are awsome. plus i have always wanted a bigger dog that i could run around and play with in the back yard. Now we are waiting for a Holter Test appointment. Mutt dogs and shelter dogs can have very unpredictable behavior problems. Having said that, his eye sight is not perfect. Our last shepherd Sebastian was so depressed he wouldnt eat and hid in the corner. Standards change when there is enough demand by the breeders. I wanted one that was very easy going, a little less territorial and on edge most of the time, because we had a lot of kids in and out of our home. I have served in jails, as an assistant in two State Senates, as a contender in the ring with men of all colors and of determined heart, many long walks and talks. Dont get me wrong, I am a huge fan of the American Doberman Pinscher. At this point Im not planning on keeping him but rather finding him a home best suited for him I am concerned that our rather flawed, poorly evidence-based opinions may rob us of the pleasure of some lovely animals. Love your dog no matter what his/ her color is. I feel the combination is a great for the medical condition in which I am going to be using my dog for when I get it. Shut your mouth dumbass, if people wanna spend their hard earned money on something they want then let em.who the f**know are u to say anything. They have KNOWN health issues far beyond the regular dobe. the average human life expectancy in the u.s. is 78 years, but that doesnt mean there wont be outliers who live longer due to genetics or other variables. I think that when these genetically imperfect dogs are born they should not be allowed to have AKC registration and MUST be spayed or neutered or be HEAVILY fined! so its ok to cut boys peniss but dont touch dog ears? ?Too much puppy for us (as we well knew when we decided on her), but we are all learning to adapt. Breeding any dogs should be outlawed in my opinion the shelters are crowded with purebreds and mutts alike. Why would someone breed for this on purpose???? lol!! Agree! My Grandparents brought me up and as a child we had a German Shepherds called Sally who was farm stock and lived to be 17 and my grandad said no matter how many dogs you have there will be one that stands out head and shoulders above all the others for me it was Cleo! Thanks so much! Well be receiving him next week once he turns 8 weeks but Im just worried now thats all the money I just spent on him Im going to spend more because of the possible health issues of him being z factored . Having said all this, if you do find a white Doberman rescue dog or a white Doberman from a breeder with a good reputation, who does health testing, please give them a chance. Spayed females had 6.5 times higher incidence of all cancers combined compared to intact females, and neutered males had 3.6 times higher incidence than intact males. Maybe you should be the one doing more research. I am a breeder and my female come from a line of whites. And by the way dogs are not people. Hope this helps with your decision making. She has the dobie markingsjust two different colors of cream. Browse 3,558 doberman pinscher stock photos and images available, or search for miniature doberman pinscher or doberman pinscher puppies to find more great stock photos and pictures. Porsche had an echocardiogram and her heart murmur was determined to be less than minor. And breed twards the dogs origanal purpose and utilize those skills and abilities and make your dog the best it can be with a job and a life purpose that fufills its dna its urgess to do something.. I would have wanted male white doberman and female from different nests, in Europe I can not find. I pray the universe keeps you from committing such a selfish act. Katie at that point was 5 years old. Brace yerselves for it ALMOST ALL PUREBRED DOGS ARE THE PRODUCT OF INBREEDING! Fantastic dogs. https://www.sfspca.org/adoptions/pet-details/41201970. It is also far easier to know the temperament and shape such when purchasing a pure pup. We are 68 and 72 and are no longer up to raising a rambunctious pup. The Doberman club of America discourages breeding them and they are disqualified from the show ring. Brenda. So please before you make some uneducated snarky reply again please refrain from your own ignorance! My question is how long ago did you have your dobes skin cancer removed, Im just looking for some possitive info as I cant afford the suggested treatment and we are just going to ride it out as long as we can and hoping for the best. I struggle with my two red Dobermans shedding, what can I do if anything. Where do you live? We already have hundreds of homeless dogs we do not need more so I feel to not spay/neuter them that would be harming them more than helping them. In most mammals (including humans) true albinos have pink eyes because they have no pigment at all. That is why the AKC registers them (albeit with the distinguishable Z designation much in part to the decrying of folks whonm think they are much smarter than they are in the area of all things wise and wonderful). Study and actually thoroughly read what you find. He has never met a stranger and loves kids. So they are very susceptible to sunburn, vision problems. Too much sun, loud noises, rambunctious children at play, (not just bikes, skateboards, etc) even older kids can get on a dogs nerves. To the guy that said the bull mastiff came about by interbreeding other bull mastiffs you are an idiot. The white dobie has long since outgrown the initial inbreeding through which the breed was developed,as the Bullmastiff once did. i think whitedobielover has the most sense of anyone on here. Breeding white dobermans is like defecating in your own gene pool. A red (also called sorrel or chestnt) horse becomes pale gold (also called palomino or isobella). is the unfounded accusations that the Recessive gene that Expresses as a White Doberman, also carries a trait that make them inferior to their colored cousins. If there are genetic problems in a particular line say, deafness or blindness then that could easily be mitigated by careful selective breeding. Brenda. The word Inbreeding is thrown around as if it was a curse word. glean from your wisdom; resin flower hoop earrings; best-selling film scores of all time It is microscopic silver particles in water. because the black ones are the best for you and far superior to the plain white ones. Spayed females had nine times higher incidence of hemangiosarcoma compared to intact females, regardless of when spaying was performed, however, no difference in incidence of this type of cancer was found for neutered vs. intact males. I am getting ready to buy the only black and rust puppy from an all white litter. All breeds of everything has standards, standards change over time. I have a white Dobberman, he is the BEST! Secondly White dobermans are more healthy than the fawn and blues. Black people have higher rates of high blood pressure and are more likely than whites to have vitamin D shortages in northern hemispheres because their skin is so dark that they dont manufacture enough of it in northern countries. I am 16 years of age and I am more adult than well over half the people leaving comments here. We are not trying to replace Katie, that would not be possible. He had a very nice temperament also. I mean, AKC and purebred dogs are already sick and unhealthy as it is. Also, consumers and dog lovers need to be educated about the health concerns of these dogs. Back to my story: I was told moZart had increased risk of skin problems and eye problems. Dobermans have a specific temperament that was bred to protect their owners they are also very well tempered around children and people. 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog Hi animal lovers, I see you are looking for 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog. So learn more before spouting off. Now what? It is just that Padula was the first one anyone tried to register. Do you know they can get cancer if you dont get them fixed? Think I talked to Tabetha. It disgusts me deeply. Of course, as is the case with ANY short haired whit dog, there are limitatipns to sun exposure, much the same as with fair-haired humans-They both sunburn easily. Protection come automatic , you just have to learn to control it . I have had Doberman my entire life black reds blues and fawns and currently have 2 whites and they are AMAZING!! We love our Porsche and are learning to adapt. I have a mix of Minature Pincher and a West Highland Terrier as well as the German Shepherd. Compared to intact dogs, neutered and spayed dogs had a 3.5 times higher risk of developing mast cell cancer, regardless of what age they were neutered. But he adapted just fine and even learned to lift his leg to pee(with our entire family cheering for him, LOL!) Shes very sweet and affectionate about 6 month old. Second major problem and most expensive: woke up one morning and found MoZart wimpering and saw his eyes had changed colors: one was blue, the other a strange greenish color took him to the emergency vet hospital and found he was suffering from a corneal ulceration :-(. Hi, Ive been thinking about breeding Dobermans but not sure. And the blue Doberman is sometimes called a gray Doberman or silver Doberman. The blue Doberman is a dilute of black. Its very sad and unfortunately very true. Deduction is usual $100 $200, and your reimbursement 80% of your bill. st paschal baylon school calendar. The most common Doberman hair color is obviously the black and tan, sometimes called black and rust, or black and brown. I had a fantastic black & tan Doberman bitch for thirteen years ! So. After evaluating Katie, her owners and the circumstances of the biting, we did not hesitate adopting her. Do they have anymore? At the time I took the white because I knew that she would be spayed because Im not in the dog breeding business. But dont worry cuz the american doberman is not alone. I attained a blue Dobie at 1 year of age from a rescue and shes in great health and has no skin issues and is very muscular, agile and athletic as other Dobermans and also very protective of her family including other household pets. thanks. They are beautiful, rare Dobies. Back in the beginning, Ayla was tested for pigment. You people that are for that are disgusting and as for the health problems duh people watch your breeders inbred dogs do have health problems no matter what the color and as for the dpca they only have bad things to say about the whites because they are disgusting and kill the whites to i have done extensive research as far as even going thru old records registrations and clippings they descended from greyhounds as well as multiple other breeds do your research before you say people are disgusting for breeding whites you are disgusting for helping in the bad rap they get and in getting killed at birth for it none of you are true dog lovers. Bless u for trying anyway. From what i have learned over the years, and from my families history with dobermans, the coloring can be an issue. In a survey on this website, we asked visitors which color was their favorite. Then she bought a black and rust European bred puppy from a totally different breeder. It is difficult to analyse why the Caucasian colour originated in humans presumably because melanistic colouration was not particularly needed in the Northern Hemisphere of our planet. Regarding the albinism debate and eye color: albinism can be partial in mammals (and also birds, even wild ones), and can come from various mutations in the genome. common sense be damned. Dogs of both genders neutered or spayed at 6 months or younger had significantly increased odds of developing a behavioral disorder, including separation anxiety, noise phobia, timidity, excitability, submissive urination, aggression, hyperactivity, and/or fear biting. None of these 4 dogs, nor the other dozen or so that I briefly met, suffered from Von Willebrands, Wobbles or any other disease, for that matter. The vet told me the breeders usually put the white puppies to sleep and any animal lover would not do such a thing. He was only 4 and a half years when cancer disabled him. And she does not look her age. She has a perfect Doberman physique and is unbelievably sweet and kind. She was urinating a lot more than the Golden Doodle we purchased at the same time. , Breeders should Produce what they want as a breeder in a dog as long its healthy and functional or not deformed its about your preference because have to feed keep and raise the dogs not another breeder I wouldnt dare breed to please other people like if you like it buy it if not I will raise and be stuck but at least I will be stuck with what I like. I had a red king dobie for several years, I took him to the local petsmart for trading classes. How common is it? I cant imagine life without a Dober-girl/boy by my side. Dont worry, there isnt any problem with this. Everyone that meets him, wants him. They are excellent for people with allergies in my humble opinion, very short hair, single coat (no undercoat) Very clean and almost cat like. However it is discouraged to breed these Dobermans because of their health issues. Not breeding them is a ridiculous notion as purebreds do have their uses (hounds are bred for hunting and they excel at it. These black Dobermans are not part of the official standard for the breed. So champions and show winner puppies will cost more than you pet quality doberman. This is our background. Not everyone wants one, and people are impressionable. I had a Blue Doberman. You didnt read the authors information well. As a small comment, white is beautiful, in addition to being a soul and as we want them, they accept us as we are. At age 10 Emma had a severe stroke. Fact is that there are still breeders that destroy blues and Isabellas and reds, because they are from mutated genes. You are very fortunate to have been blessed with your Dober-pal. So, yes, hes required a bunch of extra care. Its ignorance of the worst kind. How is Duke? If at some point the color can come about without promoting bad health and temperament, then thats great. Although these white Dobermans look beautiful, these dogs should not command higher dog prices. My daughter breeds dobermans for the better of the breed, she can tell you all you need to know and more of what you want to know. Not sure if it is the novelty of the color that makes people want them and then reality sets in Dobermans are not low maintenance dogs by any stretch. Health being the most important factor. It is usual behaviour by breeders when a new mutations occurs. I also became very bored reading your snarky reply. I am concerned that our rather flawed, poorly evidence-based opinions may rob us of the pleasure of some lovely animals. I have only had a female red & rust Doberman but look forward to welcoming a dynamic duo of a female and male to my home as soon as Im able to. My mother is disabled as well with mobility issues which I feel the dog is good for as well for her. Special consideration should be taken that the Dobermans nails are kept short so that their feet remain healthy and cat like when standing. You people are freaking impaired if you think breeding a white/partial albino Doberman isnt a terrible act. A Doberman that is white is not special in a good way. NO DOG should be put outside like lawn furniture, but a Dobeman willl make your life hell if you think you can do that. dobermans tails or more fragile and are more suspectable to breaking so docking the tail might help them. While they do typically have high intelligence, friendly disposition, and minimal health issues, the opposite is also fairly common. Thanks! That is the only reason. A good breeder breeding for health in the whites is going to produce good whites. ?She starts her puppy training tonight! She used a Shaklee product called Basic H diluted in water. Neutered and spayed dogs had five times higher incidence of other types of cancer, regardless of age of neutering. I am not a dog breeder or trainer, nor have I too much experience raising dogs. My first dobe came from a first time breeder and he had both DVDob and VWD. Also if you purchase an albino doberman you are getting ripped off. White skin cant go into the sun and therefore cant create vitamin D which leaves their bodies to pull it from their bones making them weak and open to osteoporosis and every other diseases and sickness some which albino dogs have in common. Its not fair to the animals first and foremost. I would love to help you we had our Coco a red Dobe from 8 wks till 13 yrs when she had a heart attack. While we did purchase her from a breeder (or so we thought) we have come to find out that she is very sick. But for this specific condition it may be a good idea. He had not sight problems. Theyre the ones who cause animals to suffer and waste billions of dollars in resources that could be used elsewhere. I like any dog without its ears cut off. I gave him back to the Lord in compassion for my love for him. on the othe hand i think that they do have a right to live if you the owner can afford all the high vet bills than you can enjoy your white , albino dibe as your pet . Look at american rotts and ero rotts same for german shepards. Sadly, after 6 beautiful months with our girl she died in my arms of a stroke. His name was Logan. Also, a neighbor had a visitor with a beautiful blue dobie girl. If not for their health, at least to cut down on all the poor pets that have to be put down every year in shelters. Most of all just LOVE your Doberman because they are very sensitive and require being close to their owners/families. Love this breed and thank you for loving it, too. Keep in mind, we are arguing over a DOG. If you have a white and healthy doberman consider yourself lucky. California is far away. they are just another color variation such as the red or blue. Well said sir. The white puppies are not a MUTATION GENE that has never been proven and is a lie. The AKC does register white(albino) dobermans. If you are on Facebook I run a doberman re home and rescue group. It is not accepted by AKC for show (though the dog can still be registered and bred- although this practice is frowned upon) Although labeling the dogs albino or even partial is a common misunderstanding. last but not least Dobermans have one flaw THEY DONT LIVE FOREVER. Very few Dobes carry the recessive white, and fewer carry the gene close enough to override and produce. Evidently, lurking somewhere in the deep recesses on Dobe genetics, there is a (resessive) gene for longer hair. Again, ethical breeders who care about Dobermans wont breed these dogs. I hope you found yourself another Doberman love. We are so relieved. Want to make sure we do right by her, and Im realizing we know a lot less than I thought we did. Unfortunately I am from Romania and I think it would cost me a lot more as it is also a great distance. Good luck! Which means they are not within the AKC breed standard. I have known many White Dober-girls/boys, through Brigette. Its all about the buck and nothing to do with bettering the breed as a whole. We are in touch with rescues, petfinder and have advertised. They are partial albino and not should be bread. Touch device users can explore by touch or with swipe gestures. Many people crave having cute and adorable healthy pets. doberman pinscher playing. doberman pinscher puppy. You, however, do sound very stupid and childish by 1. Get off your high horse hippe! Lastly, we have the rare Doberman with white or light-colored cream fur. A Black and Rust pedigree Doberman Pinscher has the same chance of being a carrier of poor, breed-specific, genes as the White. He will be 4 in September. When you visit a breeder, ask to see the mother and father to judge their friendliness and get references. What does it matter what colour a dog is. They are done with little to no health testing as well as little to no titling. Ive had them live to be 15 and some only make it to 4 or 5. When the very first white Dobermans were discovered due to a mutation, they would breed brother and sister white Dobermans together to make more white Dobermans. He cannot wait to run down stair to greet us when any of us come home, and its delightful to see his gentle loving nature knowing exactly where our three year old granddaughters face will be when she opens the door, so he can give her a little kiss of acknowledgement on the cheek. Yall need to learn how to take care of dogs and shut up. In a healthy dog, it looks shiny and sleek. They are not standard. My friends are very happy with their new family member, shes beautiful. Much like the german shepherd the majority couldnt handle a real days work and to preform the tasks they were bred for. My first Black and Tan female won my mother over after the first day. We have done all the testing that any breeder should do. In the meanwhile we have adopted a 7 month old dobie girl. Ill buy your dog. A red female puppy this time. All-black Dobermans are rarely seen but do exist. One only has to neuter or spay them to keep a breeding from takin place. He doesnt have an aggressive bone in his body. He is very smart and attentive. So I was thinking of her as well. However, she is overly friendly with EVERYONE and very healthy. Youre a FUCKING BOZO!!!! I have yet to see them capable of working well in what they originally were bred for (protection). people are intitled to their own opinons though. Theyre doing no harm though. Can you tell me how your girl is doing and maybe send some pics? They should have a photo of. You know. Recently lost our beloved 12 year old stroke and cardiac arrest and we have been so very devastated. As far as what information youve given, I believe there is no such thing as a bad dog but there is such thing as a bad owner. As far as the akc lots of dogs that ar registered with them now did not start out with them they accept new breeds all the time. Look in before you look oot an age-old Scottish expression. Mutt dogs (shelter dogs) make better pets for the simple fact that they are not typically bred for a specific purpose and this gives them (depending on the mix of breeds) wonderful personalities and surprising qualities. Orginal and natural skin is brown due to melanin which attracts the sun and creates vitamin d and makes us stronger. But nobody cares. He lived to be 16 years old. I dont know if he was inbreed. Not all white Dobermans are problematic and they can still make great companions. Good breeding is done to maintain the health of the breed as a whole. Whites have been around for a very long time! With time, love and patience he will become the dog god intended him to be. If one does choose a shelter dog tho, they must be spayed or neutered before u can bring them home. All of our Dobes have been raised and exposed to children (many small children as part of their socialization) and have done great. When we walk in our little town, shes a rock star. Scared. My parents breed him with a rusty female doberman with tan markings who was not from the same bloodline as Logan and half of eights puppies were white the other half rusty-colored. I had never seen a white Doberman before, so I wanted to look them up. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a895c028ab54c6c138d816584ff46fb6" );document.getElementById("c0a37e25a6").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Hi, Im Jaki the creator of Dobermans Den. Hes Regal. Thats you. 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